PODCAST | The Lead: Special edition: Trump vs Ramaphosa with News24&#x2019s top editors

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Truly unprecedented,historic scenes played out on Wednesday night as President Cyril Ramaphosa and President Donald Trump squared off in the White House Oval Office.

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Unprecedented and historic scenes played out in the White House on Wednesday night when US President Donald Trump had a television rolled into the Oval Office to play a video of EFF leader Julius Malema singing “Kill the Boer” to drive home the claim of “white genocide” in South Africa.

However,following lunch with Trump,champion golfers Ernie Els and Retief Goosen,billionaires Elon Musk and Johann Rupert,President Cyril Ramaphosa insisted to reporters that: “There’s doubt and disbelief in his (Trump’s) head” about this false narrative.

In this very special edition of The Lead,host Graeme Raubenheimer,News24 editor-in-chief Adriaan Basson,assistant editor for investigations Pieter du Toit and deputy business editor Ahmed Areff dissect the standoff between the heads of state and where it leaves South Africa as a country. Who was the best speaker in the room? How do we tackle crime back home? And where does it leave the right wing?

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Basson says maybe it’s time to “reset South Africa”.

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